No One Wants To Play With Me

I remember walking into my first NY Tech Meetup almost two years ago. I looked around and didn’t know anyone in the 120-person crowd.  After watching the demos a safe two seats away from the closest attendee, I approached someone and introduced myself.  They didn’t seem interested in talking to me and walked away a few minutes later.  After standing around for a few more minutes acting like I was looking for someone, I just walked out.  Ouch.

Two years later, that’s all changed.  I’m now a member of the tech community.  Don’t get me wrong, I get left out of all sorts of tech events (a painful experience of seeing the event get announced on Plancast weeks before and then getting reminded the day of, courtesy of Foursquare checkins).  But, more often then not, I make the cut and, when I go, I’m greeted by many friendly faces. I even get emails from people wanting advice on how to break into the NY tech community which is why I’m publishing this post.

Here’s what I did (like everything else in my life, it’s a logical series of steps):

1.  I realized it’s really important. I didn’t think it was till I had a couple of lunches where people completely changed how I was approaching my work (both on the product side and the entrepreneurial side).  I also read this crazy but brilliant book: Never Eat Alone.

2.  I set up social media profiles. LinkedIn is good and easy but Twitter is the really important one.  After meeting with people, Twitter was a great way to keep the connection alive as most people (including me) are thrilled and flattered whenever anyone responds to their tweets.  The other thing to do is set up a blog.  If you can do it, that’s awesome and it will be really helpful.  I never was able to keep up with it till more recently.

3.  I reached out to my existing network. I found all my existing friends who were in tech and met up with them.  I also asked them to introduce me to other people they knew.  This got the ball rolling.

4. I cold emailed / got intros to prominent young members of the community.  I met with community organizers (Charlie O’Donnell with nextny and Nate Westheimer with the Tech Meetup).  I also met with anyone who was seriously working on a startup.  Out of every five meetings, one will go nowhere, three will be good and one will be amazing.  I had amazing meetings with: Tobin Schwaiger-Hastanan, Fraser Kelton, Jonathan Wegener, Jon Steinberg, Jason Schwartz, Andrew Kortina, Nathan Folkman, Mark Davis, Eric Friedman, Bryan BirsicDave AmbroseJustin TsangGreg Galant and a bunch more I know I’m forgetting).  They gave me advice that would have a profound impact on what I was working on.

5. I went to tech events.  The NY Tech Meetup is a great way to support your community and meet new people; but, if you’re not good at going up to people, you’re going to struggle.  I had more success at the smaller meetups like the NYC Lean Startup Meetup.  You should try to form a quick connection with someone and email them afterwards to set up a breakfast or lunch.

6.  I helped organize an event for founders.  This may have been the most helpful of all.  Jim Moran, my co-founder at Yipit, and I organized an “Entrepreneur’s Brown Bag” with DFJ Gotham.  Every month, 12 different entrepreneurs would get together at DFJ Gotham’s offices for a pizza lunch and we would talk about our challenges.  We no longer do it but, over a seven month period, we met so many awesome founders that turned into great friends.

7.  I joined Soccer 2.0.  I played a ton of soccer growing up and I found out about a tech team that played soccer (you wouldn’t think that’s the best way to put together a sports team but we actually ended up winning our division). Whatever your non-tech related hobby is, I’m sure there are other members of tech community who share it.

8.  I didn’t keep score. My goal with everyone I meet with is to be more helpful to them than they are to me.  I try to spend more of the meeting talking about their stuff than mine.  I try to give them advice / ideas and come up with introductions that might be helpful to them.  Trust me, it all comes back and way more than you would expect.  After I met with Chris Dixon, who was obviously way more helpful to me than I could be to him, I got back to my office and spent four hours going through his site Hunch and sent him a hundred points of feedback.

While it took a serious commitment, becoming a member of the tech community has been crucial for me.  I can honestly say that much of the success that we’ve had at Yipit (funding, product improvement, PR) can be attributed to someone in the tech community who was kind enough to help us out.

(Photo courtesy of Larry)

  • marilynbyrd
    This is a fantastic post. I just met with a candidate and advised him to get out and meet the NY tech community. I plan to send him a copy of this post. I loved #7 - your non-tech related hobby as another way to meet people. BTW, I also read Never Eat Lunch Alone. Not crazy at all. Ferrazzi has a lot of great ideas and breaks networking into easy to follow steps.
  • I loved Never Eat Alone and it has great practical step by step recommendations. I just thought it was very intense to follow all of it.
  • Vinicius,
    I think we've met once down at your office but I have to say that being here in New York for only 8 months it's been quite a ride. I've met so many amazing people and heard some pretty awesome stories about camaraderie that I didn't know existed here in NYC (being from a small town - Philly) and more specifically the tech community. I've realized that so many people are running in so many circles but I never pass up an opportunity to meet with new and interesting people and I find I always learn something new about them and myself.

    As far as your list goes, #3 and #8 struck me. I made sure to reach out to people that I already had connections with to get started and on top of that I always try to be of help to anyone I meet. Whether it's a new connection or some feedback on what they're doing, I make it point to be interested in them. Otherwise, what's the point? Thanks for the post.
  • I'm really happy people are having a strong reaction to #8. That was the most important point on the list for me.
  • Jon Katzur
    Great post! I stumbled upon this after I saw it posted on Hacker News. I am now interning in the city, and will likely live here next year and I was really wondering how to get involved in the tech/startup community. Thanks for helpful advice
  • Glad it was helpful. First step is to create a twitter account (if you don't have one yet) and link to it when you post a comment. As an example, I wanted to find out more about you but you had no link.
  • Great post. I keep giving similar advice to every geek I meet. People need to go out. Forget NDAs. Don't be paranoid. Share what you are doing. Interact. Great things will happen over time if you do so.
  • The hard part is that, like most things in life, you only see the benefits over time. People have to be patient.
  • Thanks for the post. very helpful. might have to dust off my soccer kit!
  • Awesome stuff Vin! I remember our first meeting when you gave me great advice on how to meet people
  • Thanks Serge!
  • Great points for anyone in tech who is spending time in NYC. Point 8 is the one I have found most important in my own efforts to participate. I have also been amazed at how many other people are deeply committed to stop keeping score and to be more helpful to others than people are to them -- I guess this is what makes community work.
  • I agree. I'm always surprised by how willing people are to help others.
  • Thanks so much for this post! It was extremely helpful since I'm starting out in the exact position, looking forward to hearing more about your experiences =)
  • Fee free to reach out if you have anything you would like me to talk about.
  • Love it. Attached to #5, #6, and #8 (and maybe at the heart of #4) ;-) is the biggest thing I think I realized while getting my footing in the industry: that you go to the events not as much for the other attendees as for the organizer. I knew from my college days that organizing events were hugely painful and nerve-wracking experiences, and just seeing people coming to your event made your day. The best thing I did was be the biggest regular at a lot of events, so I got to know the great people running them.
  • That's a great and nuanced point about going to events for the organizers and not just the attendees. Will keep that in mind.
  • Jocelyn
    I love your blog Vin! You really have been so helpful to budding techpreneurs like myself - I can see how you really try to be more helpful to everyrone than they are to you! this is really inspiring! and congrats on the funding round!
  • Thanks Jocelyn! Best of luck on your project. Let me know when you have an update.
  • DAMN STRAIGHT WE WON OUR DIVISION :) We need to bring the band back. Sports + Tech= awesome.
  • I miss it.
  • I just went to lunch with a service provider who is trying to figure out how she can work with my companies... found out she plays softball. Friend for life... done.
  • Whenever someone asks me how they meet you, I always ask them if they like softball or kayaking.
  • FrankDenbow
    love kayaking! Thats my new thing at Pier 40.
  • emilykhickey
    Great post Vin... this is not only great advice but shows how thoughtful and awesome you are. For anyone out there 'meeting' Vin for the 1st time via this post - this really is exactly how he approaches things and it's such a winning strategy... cool to hear the self-analysis on the method, easier to copy ur moves ;)
  • Thanks Emily!
  • Well said. The take away message for me is that "It Takes a Village to Raise a Startup" -- when we come together as a community and help each other out as much as possible, we can all succeed. In fact, it's the only way we'll succeed.

    Thanks for the shoutout.
  • Totally agree. I'm always amazed at how people in the NY tech community use each other's products.
  • Yes, and as much as using each other's products, how people are so freely giving of advice/feedback/introductions. It's fantastic.
  • Totally. I'm always amazed by all of the nextny sessions.
  • Nice post! I was recently thinking of contacting some nearby startups to look into fielding a soccer team to play in whatever league/level that would best fit those who are interested. Is something like “Soccer 2.0” still going, or do you think I should just take the initiative on a new team? If the latter, do you have any recommendations on leagues or whatever to join?
  • Sadly, Soccer 2.0 has died but I know a bunch of people we could get together. If you want to take the lead, I would recommend an outdoor co-ed league. Zogsports is what we did before and it was pretty good. If outdoor isn't available, indoor is great. Email me if you do this at vacanti at gmail dot com and I'll rope in a bunch of the old soccer teammates.
  • Hi Vinicius and MrColes! I'd love to start a tech/startup soccer team with you guys! I currently play in the top div at Chelsea Piers with an awesome group of... bankers. ;) Let's make Soccer/Football 2.0 happen again! My email is bcwilliams at me dot com & Twitter = bcwill.

    Vinicius - I believe we may have met many years ago through a mutual friends like Ab Gupta, but I'm not certain. Either way, I'd love to meet up sometime. I'm currently working on my second startup -- www.gunnertraining.com -- and we are a next gen. (and profitable) online medical education company. I've been keeping a very low profile since moving to the City from Boston but would like to emerge from the shadows so your post was very very helpful. Thanks & I'll drop you a line re: Soccer and meeting up sometime.

    Thanks for the awesome post. - Ben
  • Will let you know if the team gets up and going and I do remember meeting you way back when. Definitely drop me a line.
  • FrankDenbow
    Thanks for the advice Vinicius! I am just starting my journey in this scene and its great to hear your experiences. It is much appreciated!
  • Thanks! Best of luck!
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